I cannot determine the best place to put this

[starfishman!]

Now I see your points but sorry I can't help. I also don't know what you mean by Qanon and I have never heard of the series called Yes Minister.
 I do however take anxiety and antidepression meds which help slow my anger while helping me in other ways. Maybe let your doctor know about this so he can help you too.

[howdidIgethere]

Thank you for the reply Starfishman.
If only meds were the solution. Thing is if treating me with respect solves "my" problem, seems like its not a me problem.

[Just Me]

It is not a customers business what time a employee steps out. You were out of line by asking. There is nothing wrong with a SSA employee  telling a customer they are shouting or not to shout. You were out of line by shouting. It would probably be helpful if someone you know dealt with SSA for you.  You can give permission over the phone or in person for someone to deal with SSA on your behalf. The permission can be temporary and only for that call or visit   By the way, SSA changes forms. So the form you filled out in the past might have been replaced. You need to show SSA employees the respect you want them to show you.

[howdidIgethere]

You missed the point. She refused to say the time because she was lying to provide cover. There is no matter of whether or not it is my business here. It is a factual detail critically important to the complaint I was trying to make to her. She was very clearly lying.
I'm trying to report one of "her" employees. She successfully did her best to prevent me from doing so. You don't want me to raise my voice then do not abuse me and treat me with the respect I am do. That mean not lying to me or standing on a false principle to hide evidence. 

BTW there is no evidence she actually was the manager as she refused to give me any identifying information such as the number they are supposed to give on every call.

The form did not change. If it had I would have been told it had changed because as you say forms change. And no one would have refused to look up the BNC number to see the one I had. In fact they gave me a very old kind of form. Which I had settled as not the correct one years ago.
And I still need it.


 

[Just Me]

Her refusing to give you that information was not because she was lying. You do not need that info to file a complaint. You also do not need her number information to file the complaint. Sometime we perceive things that are not true. Just because you thought she was being disrespectful and raising her voice. does not mean she was. You need to objectively look at your behavior. Based on what you have said here. You were in a defensive mode when you walked into your local field office. Employees have the right to do everything need to keep them safe.

[howdidIgethere]

Look I was sensitive when I posted and things have gone awry. I accept that I gave a bad impression because I had tunnel vision due to my own stuff.

I do not agree with you Just Me and it is obvious to me you do not like me or want to help me. why are you investing so much energy in tearing down my story and belittling me as if I am some child who doesn't understand the world? I am talking about people who are younger than my grandchild! I know goddam well exactly what they are doing.

You know you can always just not click.

[howdidIgethere]

I've figured out some of the problem I am having. Well the source of my upset.
IDK how to get the doc I need yet. Sure wish I could just call give the BNC and have it sent to me like last year.

I am reacting to what comes across as an attack on my personal agency in dealing with SSA and on here.
My insecurities shouldn't even come up in an interaction in which I can identify myself and explicitly state what I need. Never did irw unless I was dealing with a crook. And yet the process seems to require taking away my agency before we even begin discussing what I need.
We never used to hire people who were so insecure and poorly educated or put them up front before they knew the regs so they could answer questions. Let alone hire folks who have no intention of ever learning anything but when is lunch and how do I get a raise/promotion.

The attempts in the responses here to reverse things as if I am the offender and the offender is the victim is just plain nasty and abusive. I've been mostly lucky in my dealings with government in life and I still know awful people get into the civil service. The flat out rejection of that idea here is telling.

I'm not perfect but aint nothing like what has been implied or flat out stated on here.

[PicoBoulevard]

Just Me is incredibly helpful to everyone who posts a question Just Me can answer.  Perhaps you may have misinterpreted Just Me's tone because, since we're just writing in sentences on the internet, you cannot see Just Me's face or hear Just Me's voice so you could see Just Me was being sincere.

I can only say that, if I were in your situation, and was frustrated, angry, confused, irritated, and vehemently upset at virtually all individuals whom I interacted with, I would immediately seek out someone to advocate for me to get my points across, who could communicate in such a way that resolutions can be had.  It could be a friend, family member, social worker, social security advocate, non-profit volunteer for the disabled, etc.  But you might find that these people will succeed where you have run into problems in the past.

[heyjoe]

it doesnt matter what anybody says to this person, no matter how helpful you try to be he will accuse you of being nasty and abusive. This might be part of his disability, but that puts him beyond help here. 

[Just Me]

Not sure exactly what you mean by "IDK how to get the doc I need yet." If you have Original Medicare. You do not have to have a referral, unless the individual doctor requires it. If you have a Medicare Advantage Plan. They only pay for doctors that are in their network. You can talk with your PCP about getting an appointment with a specialist. SSA does not have anything to do with doctors.

[Bonzai]

Hmmmmm....

Before I step up on my soapbox, I will state that the name of this board is SSDFacts, not we will make you feel better. 

Fact: Government Agencies are no different than any other organization, in that you will encounter both good and bad employees. 

If you always find yourself in situations where you have been wronged, mistreated, or even yelled at, then what is the common denominator in those situations?  You are. 

[newdawn]

Not sure exactly what you mean by "IDK how to get the doc I need yet." If you have Original Medicare. You do not have to have a referral, unless the individual doctor requires it. If you have a Medicare Advantage Plan. They only pay for doctors that are in their network. You can talk with your PCP about getting an appointment with a specialist. SSA does not have anything to do with doctors.

I think the original poster meant "document", not "doctor". I'm only guessing, but that's how I read it.

[Just Me]

Not sure exactly what you mean by "IDK how to get the doc I need yet." If you have Original Medicare. You do not have to have a referral, unless the individual doctor requires it. If you have a Medicare Advantage Plan. They only pay for doctors that are in their network. You can talk with your PCP about getting an appointment with a specialist. SSA does not have anything to do with doctors.

I think the original poster meant "document", not "doctor". I'm only guessing, but that's how I read it.

Thanks Newdawn.  I guess having a lot of doctor appointments has put doctor/doc in the front of my mind. I apologize for the confusion

[SteelCity1981]

Look I was sensitive when I posted and things have gone awry. I accept that I gave a bad impression because I had tunnel vision due to my own stuff.

I do not agree with you Just Me and it is obvious to me you do not like me or want to help me. why are you investing so much energy in tearing down my story and belittling me as if I am some child who doesn't understand the world? I am talking about people who are younger than my grandchild! I know goddam well exactly what they are doing.

You know you can always just not click.

it's clear that the way you have conducted yourself on here shows everyone that's it's not them. You came in here highly aggressive towards just me and newdawn, who were just trying to help. My sense is, that you came across the same manner towards the social security agent as well, just based on how you conducted yourself on here so far towards the mod and the admin. just me wasn't belittling you, he was being on point, but you took it as if he was attacking you once again. I don't know if you suffer from paranoia, or what, but you have a tendency to jump to conclusions about people and have this false sense that people are out to belittle you, just because they are asking you to clarify something, so that they can understand better what you were trying to say to assist you.