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Author Topic: SSI (Child over 18) and VA dependent benefit (helpless child)  (Read 16138 times)

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Re: SSI (Child over 18) and VA dependent benefit (helpless child)
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2016, 11:04:43 pm »
to bad there were not enough work credits for my son..and hoping one day he will be off the SSI part..or we can call and say NO to SSI..(pray for that day already)..but until than..it is what it is and trying to understand all of SSI..Itis hard enough for him  we know he cant live off of 321.00 a month..so he has to have what little more he can..from SSI..but makes me mad how they take everywhere..and I want to make sure they don't take more than the SSI part..lots you have to go through for 300.00 a month from SSI..already!...

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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2016, 11:12:51 pm »
SSI considers income as earned income or unearned income - "...with that said ..Yes they have taken in account his Adult child disabled part..making it an "offset" to how much SSI has to pay... to make the total the full amount ...(with Va reduction )..So to my understanding The SSDI that is earned income..cannot be lowered..only the SSI part....so lets say if one day he does not pay his fair share..and says forget this SSI  (B.S).  not worth the trouble ..They cant lower his Adult child disabled part correct?..only the SSI part//they can never lower it past his SSDI part..(is what I have been told so far..) making sure that is correct?...

SSDI is not earned income....it is still unearned income.  However, SSDI does not have financial requirements.  Therefore, the SSDI DAC benefits will not change or stop based on other income (unless the income is from his work over SGA - because if he is working over SGA past the Trial Work Period than he is not disabled).

SSI is welfare for the disabled.  Therefore, it comes with a lot of financial restrictions.  SSI = Supplemental Security Income ...... ie it pays last to bring income to a poverty level.  Any other source of income (including gifts) is considered first.
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Re: SSI (Child over 18) and VA dependent benefit (helpless child)
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2016, 11:14:33 pm »
Thank you!  again..:]

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Re: SSI (Child over 18) and VA dependent benefit (helpless child)
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2016, 11:20:25 pm »
So lets say the Veteran dies and he collects DIC in his own right..(that is the death benefit ) he would get payed every month..they would subtact that SSI  ?but the DAC would remain?..(something to think about in the long future for him ) since he gets that dependent pay because he is a "Helpless child " form the VA.

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« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2016, 11:22:48 pm »
I believe it is a blessing that he has the DAC part. (as little as it is)..it is something for him to count on.

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« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2016, 11:24:44 pm »
He was getting the full amount 733.00 and than the reduction of the VA dependent part (because it is income) ..and no matter what that has to be deducted ..(not sure why since he would not go over that amount of 733.00 when included. and if he showed the unearned income was being used for a need like clothes..they still would deduct..(not sure why)...now what was stated in the beginning from SSA was that he would get 753.00 if the Adult child disabled part came into play..but that has not happened..as far as the extra 20.00 a month backpay or addition..(something to ask about probably)..but the VA deduction came this month.      Does any one else get an extra 20.00? because it is a current benefit?...   And if you don't mind explaining the reason as to why the Va dependent part cannot be used as an expense for need since it is his income..(according to them)..thank you!

If he was receiving SSDI DAC & SSI, he would be allowed up to $753.  The reason for this is that the normal SSI amount is $733.  But they don't count the first $20 of unearned income per month against the SSI payment.  So, he could get $753 between the 2.

However, now the $20 of unearned income that does not count is being used for the VA payment & SSDI DAC benefits.

https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-income-ussi.htm

Basically, the amount of VA dependent benefits & SSDI  DAC  benefits is added together.  These are both unearned income because he did not go to a job to earn them.

 Then, $20 is subtracted from the total amount of VA dependent benefits & SSDI DAC benefits. The resulting number is the countable income.

The countable income is subtracted from $733 to determine the SSI benefit amount.



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« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2016, 11:32:01 pm »
So lets say the Veteran dies and he collects DIC in his own right..(that is the death benefit ) he would get payed every month..they would subtact that SSI  ?but the DAC would remain?..(something to think about in the long future for him ) since he gets that dependent pay because he is a "Helpless child " form the VA.

Yes, if his DIC benefits increased due to the Veteran passing away then SSA would use the new figure in determining the amount of SSI he is eligible for.

Also, if the other parent starts collecting SSA retirement benefits or SSDI benefits or passes away & his SSDI DAC benefits would be higher based on the other parent's work record, then he can switch to their work record & higher benefit at that time.  Depending on the benefit amount, he may or may not be eligible for SSI as well.  Note: he can only collect on one parent's record at a time!  Receiving 2 benefits based on 2 parents is not an option.
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« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2016, 11:38:06 pm »
You have been so informative and very much appreciated. This information is priceless. Again knowing ahead of time is less stress...knowing what to expect..Thank You Very Much!

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« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2016, 11:42:13 pm »
https://secure.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0501130740

Also, please review the link above if your son has an onset date before his 26th birthday.

SSI limits assets to $2,000.  However, recently passed legislation created ABLE accounts to allow disabled individuals or their family members to save up to $14,000/year (& $100,000/total) in an ABLE account without losing SSI or Medicaid eligibility, as long as the disability onset date was prior to age 26.  The account may be used for education, housing, healthcare, etc.

Even if you cannot financially contribute $14,000/year, even small contributions can make a difference.  Also, if there are any other family members that may remember son in their will, they can write a will to leave the money to his ABLE account instead.  It would be cheaper than a special needs trust (especially for someone who wants to just leave him a small amount) but will prevent losing SSI eligibility for a period of time for the inheritance   (since he would be expected to use the inheritance for living expenses - as part of the Supplemental part of SSI it would count as income in the month received & a resource until spent if it is not in an ABLE account or a special needs trust).
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Re: SSI (Child over 18) and VA dependent benefit (helpless child)
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2016, 05:35:39 pm »
In response to the "Then, $20 is subtracted from the total amount of VA dependent benefits & SSDI DAC benefits. The resulting number is the countable income." Example ..Son receives full amount 733.00 the month after the application...June is application..July is payment ..and continues the full amount until Oct.. (this is backdated of course with the time frame of approval and payment ) Son receives a DAC one payment for the month of May since the disabled date for that is end of April. and remember he got the full amount for both in July..so the month of May is covered and all of the SSI/DAC is covered for the months of July-Oct. Question would he still be owed for the month of June?..for the DAC part?..remember they did do the month of May because his disabled approval is April..and they did do the month of July on for Both..but nothing in June..and remember the June month is the approval for SSI..with the starting of July...and thanks for your time in this..

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« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2016, 05:47:03 pm »
the question above is for the Month of June..is he still owed the DAC for the month of June?....now to get with the 20.00 part..."Then, $20 is subtracted from the total amount of VA dependent benefits & SSDI DAC benefits"  the full amount for DAC/SSI was 733.00 for the month of July-Oct. (even thou it was SSI only..when the DAC was approved..they said it was for DAC too.) for of course because he got the full amount of 733.00 so no back pay on DAC except for the month of MAY..where there was no SSI yet..because SSI was not applied until June where DAC was applied in April (and that was made his disabled date.DAC has no five month waiting period)..He never reviced the 20.00 during the full payment..because it was SSI at the time..and than when DAC kicked in they only did the month of MAY for the DAC part of 321.00 NO extra 20.00 in any of it..and yet he was told he would have total of 753.00 ..we never saw it..Now moving on for the month of NOV..they take out the VA dependent part (only for this month and going on..) We see they subtracted a 20.00..from the amount...when taking out the VA dependent part..but we never see anything ever being a total of 753.00 only the 733.00 and the deduction of DAC/VA dependent part to bring it so where the grand total is the dependent part taking out of the 733.00 with a reduction of 20.00..All looks right..except there Never was 753.00 in any of there calculations...as it shows on his paper..733.00 ..with all this being said .Do you think they forgot?..and is he still owed for the month of June?..remember this ALL is in a few months time frame not years time frame.

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« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2016, 09:56:13 pm »
If he was receiving SSDI DAC & SSI, he would be allowed up to $753.  The reason for this is that the normal SSI amount is $733.  But they don't count the first $20 of unearned income per month against the SSI payment.                  so from July-Oct..when he got the 733.00 ..it enedned up being a concurrent benefit..when the DAC came back approved from the month of May. so we are talking 80.00..Now in the month of Nov they take out the 20.00 because of the VA dependent part..(starting the month of Nov. )..so at this point they used the 733.00..but they actually subtracted a 20.00 from the VA dependent part..(by law we do not count 20.00 above the income) is there reason..after that they got there amount form th Va dependent part..and subtracted it from the 733.00...(the most SSI can allow us to pay)..so this sheet in frot of me is all SSI procedures..is the DAC part of the concurrent benefit where the 20.00 comes from ?..if so this needs to be directed to the DAC folks who work there..for the extra 20.00?..Nowhere does it say 753.00..and yet I know that was his total..they told me..but it never made it in writing.

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Re: SSI (Child over 18) and VA dependent benefit (helpless child)
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2016, 10:52:22 pm »
can someone help me with last questions ?...need to know if there Is back pay or not ?....

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« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2016, 10:53:43 pm »
sorry so confusing

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Re: SSI (Child over 18) and VA dependent benefit (helpless child)
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2016, 02:59:04 am »
I tried but I think I need a spreadsheet to figure out your case.

General rules:

SSI is paid for the month it is due, SSDI is paid the month after.
SSI uses a complex formula called Retrospective Monthly Accounting which has a basic rule and an important exceptions. Income from one month generally affects SSI payments two months later; if SSDI started in 9/16, SSI would go down in 11/16. Exceptions include the first two months of eligibility, the two month after a period of ineligibility, change in income based on need, there is a bit more to it than this.

Bottom line is that in computing SSI benefits, the monthly amount of all income may not always added up to $753.

If the income data is correctly entered into the SSI record, then the computation is accurate.